The Fat Ass Rebellion!

Threat List

Huge threats that will always get a kill:

Yanmega - My best hope against yanmega is to switch directly to Jolteon from Machamp because I'm going to get air slashed, use t-bolt, and switch back out to Machamp so i can BP its's 1 HP off.



Moderate threats that usually will get a kill:

Infernape: If it's a mixape and Suicune and Jolteon are gone, the team will easily get swept. Otherwise, Jolteon can t-bolt it to death and Suicune can surf it to death.

Flygon: If Suicune's gone and it uses Outrage instead of Earthquake on Jolteon, it's going to get a kill.

Weavile: If it gets 2 Swords Dances up, my only hope not to get swept is Gyarados who can easily get OHKO'd by Stone Edge.

Jirachi: If this thing get scarfed onto Iron Head And I don't have a sweep set up, the hax will usually get to me, but otherwise metagross makes quick work of it.

Breloom: Jolt's got HP Ice for and easy KO, Suicune's got Ice Beam, Shaymin's got HP ice, and Metagross kills it with an agility up. However, the sleep will be annoying and could come into play in late-game.




Not Very Threatening:

Aerodactyl: Suicune easily walls, Jolteon makes quick work of it, Metagross OHKO's after agility, Gyarados can wall and 2HKO with Waterfall.

Azelf: Machamp beats the physical versions, Suicune takes special versions, and Metagross takes both if the special version doesn't have Fire Blast.

Bronzong: Shaymin takes care of it, Gyarados sets up on it, Suicune walls it, Machamp haxes it.

Celebi: Metagross OHKO's with Meteor Mash, Suicune can set up on it, Shaymin's got HP Fire, Jolteon's got HP Ice.

Dragonite: Suicune's got Ice Beam, Jolteon's got HP Ice, Metagross's Meteor Mash OHKO's

Dusknoir: All of my special attackers take care of it pretty well. Machamp can do a dent if it's got a sub up.

Electivire: Metagross, Machamp, and Shaymin can take it without a setup, and Gyarados can take it with 2 DD's up

Empoleon: Suicune walls it, Jolteon gets an easy set up on it, Shaymin can earth power, Metagross can EQ or t-punch, and Machamp can dynamicpunch it to death.

Forretress: Shaymin's got it covered, and so does Suicune. Gyarados makes its entry hazard set-ups useless.

Gengar: Metagross OHKO's, Jolteon kills the non-scarf versions, and Suicune walls it decently well.

Gliscor: Suicune and Jolteon just rape this thing, and Shaymin and Gyarados have secondary coverage.

Gyarados: Jolteon takes it, as does Metagross and Suicune. My own gyarados can do a dent with stone edge.

Heatran: Gyarados and Suicune are my main Counters for this thing, but Shaymin and Metagross work on occasion.

Heracross: Shaymin kills it, Suicune walls it decently, as does Gyarados.

Hippowdon: All of my special sweepers do the job, as does Gyarados.

Jolteon: Metagross takes any attack from it, and Shaymin's gonna be able to get an earth power off.

Kingdra: This thing can usually be taken out by Shaymin, Suicune, and Metagross. Gyarados helps with intimidate as well.

Lucario: Suicune kills it, as does Shaymin, Metagross and Jolteon.

Machamp: My own Machamp beats the lead version, and Shaymin and Jolteon pretty nicely cover the others.

Magnezone: Machamp, Metagross, and Shaymin decimate this thing.

Mamoswine: Machamp, Shaymin, Metagross, and Suicune do nicely. Gyarados is secondary check.

Metagross: My own Metagross, Shaymin, Jolteon, and Suicune do nicely.

Ninjask: Jolteon toys around with this thing, Gyarados and Shaymin check it nicely, as does Metagross.

Roserade: Suicune, Jolteon, and Shaymin kill non-lead versions, while Machamp kills the leads.

Rotom: If it's scarfed onto Shadow Ball, Gyarados and Suicune are the way to go, but if it's scarfed onto Thunderbolt, Jolteon's the key. Bulky versions have to deal with Shaymin's Seed Flare, as it's the only poke that doesn't get phased by Will-O-Wisp.

Scizor: Gyarados and Shaymin are my main ways of dealing with it, Suicune and Metagross are secondary.

Skarmory: Jolteon and Shaymin eat this thing for breakfast.

Smeargle: As I only see it as a lead, Machamp's got it covered.

Snorlax: Metagross, Machamp, and Gyarados make mince meat of it.

Starmie: Jolteon, Suicune, Shaymin, and Metagross make quick work of it.

Suicune: Jolteon, Shaymin, and Metagross all make quick work of it. Machamp helps out with confusion.

Swampert: Shaymin and Suicune have got it covered.

Tentacruel: Metagross, Shaymin, and Jolteon take care of it.

Togekiss: Jolteon loves to set up on it, Suicune and Gyarados make quick work of it as well.

Tyranitar: Metagross and Gyarados take it if they've set up already, but otherwise Suicune and Shaymin have got it in the bag.

Umbreon: Metagross, Machamp, and Gyarados send it packing.

Vaporeon: Gyarados ruins it with taunt. Metagross, Shaymin, and Jolteon can easily kill it.

Zapdos: Gyarados kills it with a dragon dance up, otherwise, Suicune's got it covered.

I have a few things to say, which are only nitpicks if anything. First off, I suggest the following set for Gyarados, as losing to Jolteon sucks bad. The moves you have are great, though.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Jolly | Intimidate
252Atk, 88Def, 170Spe

You have a kinda huge Ape weakness, as you've already pointed out, and I've seen many running HP-Electric now, so definitely watch out.

Your Cune set could actually be a bit bulkier. You only need to outspeed Adamant Lucario, so you might as well invest some more EVs into HP.

You should run Zen Headbutt over Thunderpunch. Believe me, it works. Losing to defensive Rotom without a way of hitting them will always be a let down. Not to mention you don't have any lures for Rotom, so you definitely should use Zen Headbutt. You still hit bulky waters hard, so don't worry.

Omg assholes, rate the team

I second Slash's proposal to make Gyara bulkier. I've tried out Sub on Machamp, and Ice Punch usually serves you better, so I'd suggest that over that. I don't have much to correct here.

AmphZee wrote:

I second Slash's proposal to make Gyara bulkier. I've tried out Sub on Machamp, and Ice Punch usually serves you better, so I'd suggest that over that. I don't have much to correct here.

Slash wanted the gyarados to be less bulky... And the only thing ice punch helps me with is roserade, and dynamicpunch does a shit load to roserade anyways.

Zachattach9 wrote:

AmphZee wrote:

I second Slash's proposal to make Gyara bulkier. I've tried out Sub on Machamp, and Ice Punch usually serves you better, so I'd suggest that over that. I don't have much to correct here.

Slash wanted the gyarados to be less bulky... And the only thing ice punch helps me with is roserade, and dynamicpunch does a shit load to roserade anyways.

Actually, Payback+Bullet Punch kills Roserade anyway. Ice Punch is also for Gliscor, who can be problematic late game when he Taunts your sweepers from setting up.

SandslashPWNS wrote:

I have a few things to say, which are only nitpicks if anything. First off, I suggest the following set for Gyarados, as losing to Jolteon sucks bad. The moves you have are great, though.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Jolly | Intimidate
252Atk, 88Def, 170Spe

You have a kinda huge Ape weakness, as you've already pointed out, and I've seen many running HP-Electric now, so definitely watch out.

Your Cune set could actually be a bit bulkier. You only need to outspeed Adamant Lucario, so you might as well invest some more EVs into HP.

You should run Zen Headbutt over Thunderpunch. Believe me, it works. Losing to defensive Rotom without a way of hitting them will always be a let down. Not to mention you don't have any lures for Rotom, so you definitely should use Zen Headbutt. You still hit bulky waters hard, so don't worry.

I have to strongly disagree with the option of zen headbutt over tpunch. If a rotom gets sent in metagross is willoed /end.