Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT]

Subject: Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:19 am

I've just made a new team, and since 4th Generation is coming to an end, I decided to post my team.

~Team Building Process~

So I decided to make a team. First I went to both Pokemon Online and Shoddy Battle Pokemon Usage List and found that Heatran is top on both lists(Shoddy - 26.57%/PO - 24.98%). Following up in both lists is Scizor(mostly banded Scizor)(Shoddy - 22.08%/PO - 21.32%, what the hell?). But anyways, the main purpose of looking at both lists is to find out which Pokemon is suitable for me to center around, which in this case I wanted my team to be offensive, yet bulky.

Bulky Pokemon, huh? The first four Pokemon that came to my mind is Heatran, Gyarados, Shaymin and Zapdos. So I looked at the tier lists of Shoddy and PO(PO has a new tier list). I decide to add Machamp into my list as its quite bulky. After some time I added Scizor in(100Def). OK, now I have 6 Pokemon. Which Pokemon should I use? Hmmmm.... So I list out the weaknesses and resistance of all 6 Pokemon.

Spoiler:

Looking at their weaknesses, I found that Heatran pairs well with Shaymin and Scizor(Shaymin draws Poison/Bug/Flying/Fire/Ice damage, so I just switch to Heatran, best when I receive Flash Fire boost, and Shaymin takes care of Water and Ground attacks|Scizor draws Fire attacks, so Heatran gets Flash Fire boost, but Scizor takes care of nothing from Heatran). I decide to choose Shaymin to pair with Heatran.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Shaymin-1

With Shaymin alone, ground weakness is still a problem, not to mention ice attacks if Heatran went down. So I decided to choose a Pokemon that can take down both ground and ice Pokemon. I chose Suicune.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Suicune-1

Now I decided to go out of the type chart and think of a sweeper. All my Pokemon now are Special Sweepers, so I need a physical sweeper. My possibilities are: Breloom, Electivire, Dragonite, Gyarados, Lucario, Metagross and Scizor.

Spoiler:

After I had reviewed them, I chose Electivire and Dragonite.
Back to type chart now. Electivire only adds to ground weakness, which Suicune and Shaymin can take care of. Dragonite however, adds Ice weakness and Rock weakness. Although Suicune and Shaymin take care of those 2 weaknesses, I chose Electivire because of its Motor Drive.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Electivire-1

I decided I need a wall, since it's a bulky offensive team. Immediately Dusknoir came to my mind with a 135 base Defense and Special Defense, as well as 100 base Attack.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Dusknoir-1

Adding Dusknoir, I realized something: I'm left with no lead! Now I review my team: None weak to SR, all affected by Spikes and 4 out of 5 affected by Toxic Spikes, so I obviously need a spinner. Forretress and Starmie came to my mind, but I decided to find some more spinners. I found Tentacruel and Donphan. I decided to drop Starmie due to its low HP. So I'm left with Donphan, Tentacruel and Forretress. I drop Forretress as it's too weak(I didn't mean stats weak). It was now a tough choice between Tentacruel and Donphan. Tentacruel can lay Toxic Spikes but not SR, while Donphan can set up SR but not Toxic Spikes. I decided to go with Donphan anyways, due to its high attack and defense. However I still have Tentacruel in mind.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Donphan

So Donphan doesn't work very well, especially against lead Roserade. So I'm thinking that I need someone that could outspeed Roserade. No use using a powerful move since Roserade mostly carries Focus Sash. I thought for a long time and I chose Tentacruel, which have a base speed of 100, while Roserade have a base speed of 90.
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Tentacruel-1

~In-depth Look~

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Tentacruel

Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 136 HP / 120 Def / 176 Spd / 76 SDef
Timid Nature ( Spd, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Sludge Bomb
A basic Tentacruel lead, just that I tweaked it's EVs. With a Timid Nature 176spd EVs, Tentacruel reaches 308 speed, just enough to outspeed Roserade. I did not tweak the Def EVs as Tentacruel need all the defense it can get, and I'm afraid I might mess up Tentacruel's Special Def and HP if I tweak it's Defense EVs. The remaining EVs are invested into HP and Defense EVs.

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Electivire

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Electivire

Electivire (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature ( Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- ThunderPunch
- Brick Break
- Ice Punch
With a Motor Drive boost, Electivire reaches up to 433(I think!) speed, and can act as a deadly revenge killer. Earthquake, Ice Punch, Brick Break and ThunderPunch provides excellent coverage. If a smart opponent wants to WoW me, they have to be prepared to meet a Heatran.

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran

Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Naive Nature ( Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Explosion
The Revenge Killer. It's all simple. I chose HP Electric over Dragon Pulse and HP Grass to kill Gyarados that think I carry the latter 2.

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Shaymin

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Shaymin

Shaymin @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature ( Spd, -Atk)
- Seed Flare
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Leech Seed
This thing is so cute. Comes in on resisted attacks, Leech Seed on the switch. Blissey ain't going to wall Shaymin as it have to be prepared to face Leech Seed. If it softboils, I simply have to use Seed Flare and get the Special Defense drop and continue attacking before using Earth Power to save Seed Flare's PP. HP Fire is to take care of the opposing Shaymin or other grass types.

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Suicune

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Suicune

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature ( Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
CroCune? Nope. Offensive? Yes. With a Calm Mind under its belt, Suicune is prepared to sweep. 252 Speed Timid Nature allows it to reach 295 Speed, just enough to outspeed Heatran w/o Scarf. Ice Beam HP Electric provides coverage and Surf for STAB.

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Dusknoir

Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Dusknoir

Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def
Impish Nature ( Def, -SAtk)
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Earthquake
- ThunderPunch
Dusknoir, the Ultimate Wall of my team. With 135 Base Special Defense and Defense, Dusknoir can reach 399 Defense and 306 Special Defense. Dusknoir also acts as a Spin Blocker to block spinners from spinning away my Toxic Spikes. Pokemon who are immune to Toxic Spikes such as Scizor are going to half their attack halved by WoW. Since Dusknoir has low health, Pain Split is excellent for getting back the HP he lost.

~Final Look~
Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Heatran-1

That wraps up my team and I hope you guys will rate them :)

Subject: Re: Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:10 pm

Great team, but two things, really. I don't like Tentacruel lead at all. It just loses to too many common leads. For this, I suggest Forretress, who, in my opinion, is a great lead for a Semi-Stall/Bulky Offense team. Here's the set:

Forretress @ Leftovers
Careful | Sturdy
252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def
-Spikes/Toxic Spikes
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin
-Payback

Secondly, I feel that Electivire is a little underwhelming, especially since I used one for the longest time, and feel that's it's either a complete win, or a hit and miss, and the unreliability really puts a damper on the momentum of this team. And looking at your team, another Ground-weak Pokemon is upsetting. Try something like Rest Talk Machamp, so you can further help the Stall, while also having a Sleep absorber:

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant | No Guard
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
-Dynamicpunch
-Payback
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

That's my rate. Great team, and good luck.

Subject: Re: Is 2 Absorbers enough for you? [OU RMT] Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:53 am

Thanks SandSlashPWNs.
I did this changes to my team:
Replaced Tentacruel with Forretress:
Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Payback

Replaced Electivire with Machamp:
Machamp (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dynamicpunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Payback

Replaced Dusknoir with Rotom-W:
Rotom-w @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/168 Def/88 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Will-o-wisp
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball