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Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sat May 29, 2010 10:56 am | |
| Introduction Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Veil EVs: 252 HP/40 Def/216 Spd Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk) Earthquake Taunt Roost Stealth Rock Gliscor... an amazing lead. His resistances are amazing, when the team building was almost finished I had no electric resistances, no Stealth Rocks, no lead, and no answer to stall. This thing patches up all of those weaknesses and is also a Lucario check, outspeeding and OHKOing with Earthquake, and can take an Extremespeed from high health. EarthQuake is a powerful STAB move, although it allows Salamence and Dragonite to set up DDs on it, but Jirachi can come in on a +1 Mence/Nite, Outspeed because of the Choice Scarf, and kill with Ice Punch, so it works great with Gliscor. It's great at self preservation, courtesy of Roost (which also erases it's fling type for a turn), and helps support the team with Stealth Rocks, which is one of the greatest moves in the game in my opinion. Leftovers is the item of choice, healing Gliscor. Probably the best tank in the game. Starmie @ Choice Scarf Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) Thunderbolt Surf Ice Beam Trick Don't mock Mie. My first of two revenge killers, a status absorber, and my Gyara check. It also stop's Mence from running around on +1 speed and KOs before it has a chance to sweep my team, if Jirachi has fallen before. Trick helps me take down stall, because before I used trickers I was really vulnerable to it, but now I worry much less. Surf is a powerful STAB move, Thunderbolt beats Gyara and dents most Pokemon that resist Surf, but Ice Beam destroys Gliscor, Flygon, Mence and Dragonite. Starmie has really proved to be a valuable addition to the team, even if it is a bit Scizor weak. Jirachi @ Choice Scarf Ability: Serene Grace EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk) Iron Head Fire Punch Ice Punch Trick This thing in my opinion is the best revenge killer in OU, now Latias is Uber. It's coverage is just as good, if not better, and with Iron Head's flinch chance it can even break Magnezone if it is low enough health, or if it comes in on Fire Punch. Iron Head is for Flinch and beats Tyranitar, who is high in usage at this point in time. Fire Punch nails Scizor, Forretress and co. Trick is to help me against my ever present stall weakness, now Latias is gone. Ice Punch beats Flygon, Salamence, Dragonite and Gliscor. I love how much it can come in on and force out. I was 3-1 down at on point with a Jirachi that barely lived the swich in to Stealth Rocks and ripped through the rest of their team with a bit of flinch. This shows it's not to be taken lightly. I like how balanced it's stats are so how it can come in on neutral attacks repeatedly unlike so revenge killers. Gengar (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Levitate EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) Substitute Shadow Ball Focus Blast Hidden Power [Fire] It's resistances save it from it's pitiful defences, if it can come in on a choiced Earthquake or something similar and Substitute up, and scout for Tar or Scizor to come in. Tar is wrecked by Focus Blast (if it hits) and Scizor is demolished by Hidden Power Fire. Even Bliss doesn't like taking on Gengar, with Focus Blast nailing Special Defence drops occasionally and the sub's protection Gengar can potentially break Blissey, so itself and Empoleon can wreck havoc. Nothing enjoys taking on Gengar, it can't be poisoned, outspeeds most pokes that try to burn it and negates damaging weather conditions courtesy of Leftovers. This thing IS a reason to be afraid of the dark, it's nothing to mess with. Behind a Sub not much can take it on, at all. Gyarados is one of the few who can take a hit, but will be scared to switch in because of the possible Thunderbolt, when in reality they nothing to fear here but Gengar itself. However Shadow Ball 2HKO's Offensive DD Gyara after SR, and Bulkier variants barely survive. If there is Hail or Sandstorm in effect there is a possibility Gengar can 2HKO them too. There is so much to write about this guy. He's always a favourite of mine but in this team is where he really get's his glory. He is the best lure I've ever used. Dragonite (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk) Dragon Dance Extremespeed Earthquake Dragon Claw I can tell you Mence's problems are less bulk (if something comes in on it) and lack of priority. Dragonite anyone? Since HGSS came out it's no longer an inferior Salamence. it doesn't have to worry about hax as much because of Inner Focus. Along with priority it was the main reason I changed the set, as a tiny bit of Flinch can truly change the game, and the amount of times it has screwed me over is insane. Jolly nature is up for change because of priority. Dragon Dance is the focus of this set, and boosts Nite's attack to sky high levels, along with speed. Dragon Claw over Outrage so you don't get locked into a move and set up on by Skarmory or Forry. EQ hit's steels not named Bronzong/Skarmory and Extremespeed is to counter priority. I love this Dragonite. Lucario (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) Swords Dance Close Combat Extremespeed Crunch Ah. Lucario, you better have a counter or he will murder your family. Even unboosted he's a threat, but with a Swords Dance it's like being hit by a truck. Lategame this thing comes in, sets up, and destroys the opponents team. It relies on Gengar to rid the game of Tyrantitar or Scizor first however. Extremespeed is the most powerful priority move in the game, tied with Sucker Punch. Late game it cleans up. Close Combat is the most poweful move Lucario has, and is like dropping an atomic bomb. It destroys everything in it's way. Crunch hits Rotom and such. I can't think of much to say, as if you are playing OU oftenly you should see enough of these to see how they work.
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| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sat May 29, 2010 11:02 am | |
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| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sat May 29, 2010 11:02 am | |
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| | | SandslashPWNS
Posts : 421 Join date : 2009-07-20 Age : 29 Location : New York
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sat May 29, 2010 12:17 pm | |
| Ok, nice team. I'd like to say a couple thing, however.
First, NEVER use Thunderpunch on Jirachi. Thunderbolt is almost always better. This allows you to effectively beat Gyarados, as Thunderpunch is iffy with Intimidate, plus most Gyarados usually run bulk in Defense, not Special Defense, if they run bulk at all. A new spread of 252Spe, 16SAtk, 242Atk will do nicely, as the 16 Special Attack ev's and a Naive nature let you always OHKO Bulky Gyarados.
Since you rely on Gliscor a lot, and specifically for Stall, I have a solution to make his job easier. Try Sub + Painsplit Gengar. He completely obliterates Stall, while at the same time being protected by a Substitute. Try this out:
Gengar @ Life Orb Timid | Levitate 252SAtk, 252Spe, 4Hp - Substitute - Pain Split - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast
Even thought this doesn't OHKO Scizor, it provides a better way for you to lure out Tyranitar, and by keeping Gengar healthy throughout the match, even in tight situations.
One final thing to note, that I feel ruins your team. The combination of Magnezone and Salamence literally destroys this team. Jirachi locked into Iron Head, Thunderbolt, or Ice Punch will fall victim to Magnezone, thus opening a spot to sweep your entire team, and even more so if your opponent uses the Physically Bulky set which will even stop your Lucario from revenging it with Extremespeed. It can literally OHKO almost all of your team with one move. I'll demonstrate: EQ OHKO's Lucario, Empoleon. Outrage beats: Gengar, Salamence, and does a shit ton to Gliscor, so I think you have Mence + Magnezone problems. To combat this weakness, I propose a couple of options.
If you feel that Empoleon could be replaced, ScarfMie could go in his spot. This allows you to OHKO Mence, and do tons of damage to other Starmie, which plague your team. Be wary that if you replace Empoleon, you no longer have 3 Pokemon weak to Ground. If you choose this route, you trade a sweeper for a revenger. Also, if you replace Empoleon, you can use Jirachi as an effective CM Wisher, or Sub CM set. I would use the Sub CM set myself, but you don't even have to choose this route.
If you feel that Jirachi could be replaced, ScarfMie could go in his spot. This also allows for you to remove a Ground weakness, while at the same time keeping threats checked. On this end, you trade a Revenger for a Revenger.
That's my rate. Do as you wish with it. :D | |
| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sat May 29, 2010 4:51 pm | |
| - SandslashPWNS wrote:
- Ok, nice team. I'd like to say a couple thing, however.
First, NEVER use Thunderpunch on Jirachi. Thunderbolt is almost always better. This allows you to effectively beat Gyarados, as Thunderpunch is iffy with Intimidate, plus most Gyarados usually run bulk in Defense, not Special Defense, if they run bulk at all. A new spread of 252Spe, 16SAtk, 242Atk will do nicely, as the 16 Special Attack ev's and a Naive nature let you always OHKO Bulky Gyarados.
I don't leave Rachi in on Gyara, even with Thunderpunch being the move of choice. I'll test the changes though
Since you rely on Gliscor a lot, and specifically for Stall, I have a solution to make his job easier. Try Sub + Painsplit Gengar. He completely obliterates Stall, while at the same time being protected by a Substitute. Try this out:
Gengar @ Life Orb Timid | Levitate 252SAtk, 252Spe, 4Hp - Substitute - Pain Split - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast
Even thought this doesn't OHKO Scizor, it provides a better way for you to lure out Tyranitar, and by keeping Gengar healthy throughout the match, even in tight situations.
I need to kill Scizors. And Gengar is easily one of the most useful Pokemon on the team. I have no plans on changing him.
One final thing to note, that I feel ruins your team. The combination of Magnezone and Salamence literally destroys this team. Jirachi locked into Iron Head, Thunderbolt, or Ice Punch will fall victim to Magnezone, thus opening a spot to sweep your entire team, and even more so if your opponent uses the Physically Bulky set which will even stop your Lucario from revenging it with Extremespeed. It can literally OHKO almost all of your team with one move. I'll demonstrate: EQ OHKO's Lucario, Empoleon. Outrage beats: Gengar, Salamence, and does a shit ton to Gliscor, so I think you have Mence + Magnezone problems. To combat this weakness, I propose a couple of options.
Really, Magnezone is situational. And I've killed Magnezone's with Rachi locked onto Iron Head.
If you feel that Empoleon could be replaced, ScarfMie could go in his spot. This allows you to OHKO Mence, and do tons of damage to other Starmie, which plague your team. Be wary that if you replace Empoleon, you no longer have 3 Pokemon weak to Ground. If you choose this route, you trade a sweeper for a revenger. Also, if you replace Empoleon, you can use Jirachi as an effective CM Wisher, or Sub CM set. I would use the Sub CM set myself, but you don't even have to choose this route.
I'll try this. I'd like Rachi to stay Scarfed though. With Trick instead of T-Punch probably.
If you feel that Jirachi could be replaced, ScarfMie could go in his spot. This also allows for you to remove a Ground weakness, while at the same time keeping threats checked. On this end, you trade a Revenger for a Revenger.
Love the thing too much to replace.
That's my rate. Do as you wish with it. :D | |
| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Sun May 30, 2010 6:22 am | |
| Added team building process. | |
| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Mon May 31, 2010 5:52 am | |
| Bumping to hopefully get more rates. | |
| | | SuperNova
Posts : 106 Join date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:58 am | |
| Overall, it looks great. The only thing I see is that Gengar should be Black Sludge instead of Leftovers, in case of Trick. | |
| | | Amphy
Posts : 868 Join date : 2009-04-30 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:38 pm | |
| It can be tricked onto other Pokemon on my team though. | |
| | | LucarioSeviJake
Posts : 42 Join date : 2010-02-25 Age : 27 Location : Behind you with a Gun, United States
| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:39 pm | |
| SuperNova Wrote: Overall, it looks great. The only thing that I see is that Gengar should be Black Sludge instead of Leftovers, in case of Trick.
Why trick a Black Sludge over, just take trick off and use the leftovers. | |
| | | Magic
Posts : 191 Join date : 2009-04-09 Age : 28
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| Subject: Re: Lucario Force [OU RMT] Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:55 pm | |
| - LucarioSeviJake wrote:
- SuperNova Wrote:
Overall, it looks great. The only thing that I see is that Gengar should be Black Sludge instead of Leftovers, in case of Trick.
Why trick a Black Sludge over, just take trick off and use the leftovers. You obviously don't get the point. PROPER RATE COMING. | |
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