Team Glee: A Rate My Team

Hello. This is a team based on spreading around paralysis and then abusing it via flinching moves and powerful, slow attacks. The team name comes from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and I do have a lot of fun using this team so...whatever. I originally started out making this team with a desire to utilize my favorite OU Pokemon, Togekiss and Jirachi. I realized that they both have Serene Grace and can abuse ParaFlinch very well, so I kinda just worked from there.


Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/216 Def/52 SpA
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spe)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
Swampert contributes a lot to my team as a counter to top physical threats like Tyranitar, Metagross, and Gliscor, as well as a great Stealth Rocker and phazer. Another bonus is that he resists Gyarados's weaknesses perfectly, contains only one weakness, and resists Stealth Rock making it a great pivot Pokemon and threat checker. I don't even know why I replaced Swampert, when I should have realized that his purpose is to act as defensive support and not as a sweeper. Hopefully I will use him better this time. Although Taunt and Grass Knot leads greatly annoy Swampert, he can usually get up Stealth Rocks sometime within the match.
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Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/152 SAtk/104 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Nasty Plot
- Thunder Wave

Togekiss is one of my main paralyzers and abusers, and he does a darn good job of it. He tanks and haxes out any special sweepers that dare go near him. Togekiss is definitely my MVP, as he makes himself useful nearly every match. Stealth Rock hurts, but Togekisses are still amazing. I decided to make use of Kiss's large Base Sp. Atk since she can take special hits well enough already, so I split the Special Defense. So far, I have not regretted that decision, as I have noticed little deficiency in Kiss's ability to take hits and a much better ability to deal damage. I'm using Nasty Plot in place of Aura Sphere because with Thunder Wave and Roost, Togekiss finds it easy to set up. I hardly found myself using Aura Sphere anyways.
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Snorlax (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 SpD
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Selfdestruct
- Earthquake
- Crunch

I used to have a SpecsTran here, which I liked, but now I have decided to use CB Snorlax instead. Although the damage output is not nearly as high, the paralysis chance of Body Slam and added bulk, as well as the retained resistance of Fire and Ice attacks makes Snorlax a great option as well. CB Snorlax usually spams Body Slam, Selfdestructing when health gets low. There's not much that can be said. Snorlax benefits from the paralysis and fits in with the theme.


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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs:240 HP/36 Atk/160 Def/76 SDef/
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Thunderpunch
- Body Slam

Jirachi is my second main paralyzer and he can abuse it really well too. Although he is, unfortunately, walled by Waters, Jirachi usually manages to paralyze and hax out stuff, much like Togekiss. I gave Jirachi Fire Punch because I just hate Scizors, Lucarios, and Bronzongs. Suicune and Celebi already covers Waters enough in my opinion. Oftentimes, Jirachi can pass Wishes to weakened Pokes, so he is a very valuable member of my team.


I have found that Bulky Waters have posed more of a threat than Steels, who are more often than not stopped dead by Heatran or Gyarados, so I have decided to switch back to Thunderpunch. Both have been about equally useful.
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Gyarados (M)@Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Gyarados has been replaced by Suicune, but after some changes to my team (including the addition of SpecsTran), I have put Gyarados back onto my team as a great RestTalker and potential sweeper. Haunter has said that my team is weak to stuff like SDLuke, and so Gyarados is here to stop them from sweeping my team. Although Dragon Dance is there for the intimidation factor in the earlygame, it has allowed Gyarados a clear sweep many times after the opponent's Gyarados counters have been eliminated. Although the Rock weakness is unwelcome, Gyarados has fared better than Suicune.
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Celebi @ Yache Berry
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 232 HP/240 SpA/36 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

My third paralyzer. Celebi can spread paralysis and counter bulky waters (particularly Gyarados) extremely well. This Celebi serves as a nice utility counter and fits well onto my team. Hidden Power Fire nabs unsuspecting Steels and Celebi and provides good coverage with STAB Leaf Storm, while retaining coverage against Breloom. I used to have a SubSeeder Celebi in this Celebi's place, but Stauffen/Kiryoku has recommended that I use this set instead as a lure and more instant answer to bulky waters and Tyranitar. Hopefully it will go over well. As for the item, I just hate Life Orb on a team like this. Although I no longer have the OHKO on Tyranitar, I can severely weaken it. The Yache Berry allows me to better take on Gyarados, Offensive Suicune, and Starmie. I'm still skeptical about this one though. It seems to be my weakest link.
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Please help me make this team the best it can be! I'm sure there is a lot I could do better, but I need help to fix my mistakes. I might update this with a sprite lineup and a threat list later on. I'll also try to give better descriptions as I play a bit more with this team.

All I can say is watch out for ground types. They can demolish your heatran and jirachi, also they ruin your strategy. You should make Celebi have Grass Knot to counter ground types.

My only concern is with dragonite. Outrage>Dragon Claw and Brick Break, one of the elemental punches, or Iron Head over roost, this is a sweeper, so you want as much attack and speed as you can get, so you want either an adamant or a jolly nature. also, EV's should be 252 atk, 252 speed, 6 HP. Lastly, have it hold Yache Berry for those pesky ice moves

zachattach9 wrote:

My only concern is with dragonite. Outrage>Dragon Claw and Brick Break, one of the elemental punches, or Iron Head over roost, this is a sweeper, so you want as much attack and speed as you can get, so you want either an adamant or a jolly nature. also, EV's should be 252 atk, 252 speed, 6 HP. Lastly, have it hold Yache Berry for those pesky ice moves

he wanted a bulky dragon. If he wanted a sweeper then he woulda chosen Salamence. The dancing is to boost the offensive part of it.

zachattach9 wrote:

My only concern is with dragonite. Outrage>Dragon Claw and Brick Break, one of the elemental punches, or Iron Head over roost, this is a sweeper, so you want as much attack and speed as you can get, so you want either an adamant or a jolly nature. also, EV's should be 252 atk, 252 speed, 6 HP. Lastly, have it hold Yache Berry for those pesky ice moves

This is Bulky Offense, he's not a sweeper he's a bulky Puncher with sweeping capacity.
Not to mention with Roost and Light Screen Ice Beam isn't really even Super Effective at all...

@Tsutanai: What Ground-Type can defeat Celebi and Togekiss? Honestly, I've never had a problem with Ground-Types. The common ones are Hippowdon, Swampert, and Flygon right? Well, Hippowdon is slow enough to be haxed to death by Togekiss or Celebi safely enough (even a Stone Edge will not KO Kiss without Attack investments), Flygon can be revenge killed/forced out as most are choiced, and Swampert is scared away by Celebi and haxed to death by Togekiss anyways. Besides, none of them can switch in on Heatran or Jirachi. I am more worried about Mamoswine.... it pretty much kills my team bar Celebi.

Also, Psychic is for Breloom. I cannot find a Water or Ground that does not hate Leech Seed already. Breloom is a much bigger threat. Sides, Psychic is a better attacking type and reliable.

@zach: This is a bulky mono-attacking Dragon, not a sweeper.

@Ciaran: I am not using Light Screen but my investments allow me to take Ice Beams well enough.

Ciaran wrote:

zachattach9 wrote:

My only concern is with dragonite. Outrage>Dragon Claw and Brick Break, one of the elemental punches, or Iron Head over roost, this is a sweeper, so you want as much attack and speed as you can get, so you want either an adamant or a jolly nature. also, EV's should be 252 atk, 252 speed, 6 HP. Lastly, have it hold Yache Berry for those pesky ice moves

This is Bulky Offense, he's not a sweeper he's a bulky Puncher with sweeping capacity.
Not to mention with Roost and Light Screen Ice Beam isn't really even Super Effective at all...

My only pproblem is the lack of all out pysical attackers. Sure swampert is pysical, but does it have sweeping capabilies? No! And the only way for dragonite to really hope to sweep, is if he can set up some dragon dances.

Ok, I have no Physical set-up sweepers bar Dragonite but how is that a problem?

Pokefan362 wrote:

Ok, I have no Physical set-up sweepers bar Dragonite but how is that a problem?

You have no counters for usually Defensive based dusknoir and cress (in my case, anyways). This could be a big problem if noir can wall you, set up will-o-wisp and pain split, and cress could toxic stall you for a long time.

...I have Leech Seed, Heal Bell, and the power of Flinch/Recovery on my side. I've never had a problem with those. Also, SpecsTran.

Pokefan362 wrote:

...I have Leech Seed, Heal Bell, and the power of Flinch/Recovery on my side. I've never had a problem with those. Also, SpecsTran.

Ok. Do you have any type of pokemon or any pokemon in particular that your worried about?

Mamoswine.

If it is banded, you have to guess what it is going to use. If heatran is out, switch in rachi. And vise versa.

If LO, couldn't rachi take one hit from a mamoswine EQ, then fire punch and almost KO? Or, you could switch in pert and waterfall it to death.

I know what you mean. Mamo is not unmanageable, just very troublesome. I have 3 Ice weaks, which does not help my situation

Pokefan362 wrote:

I know what you mean. Mamo is not unmanageable, just very troublesome. I have 3 Ice weaks, which does not help my situation

Don't forget two Ground weak and your one Poke not weak to either of his STAB moves is neutral to both.

As for Physically Defensive Dusknoir and Cress his special attackers deal with them. They become a non-issue because they are meant to block Physical attackers...I'm not even sure why you brought this up, Brawler...

Have you considered Tangrowth in place of celery? It gets stun spore which could in theory help with paralyzing the pesky ground types. It also gets Leech Seed AND can use Knock Off which would wipe out some choice users for you. Just a thought.

SimplyUninspired wrote:

Have you considered Tangrowth in place of celery? It gets stun spore which could in theory help with paralyzing the pesky ground types. It also gets Leech Seed AND can use Knock Off which would wipe out some choice users for you. Just a thought.

What Ground type would stay in on or come in on Celebi or Tangrowth? Plus Stun Spore has meh accuracy compared to Thunderwave and Celebi's superior Speed and SpDef make it far more usable than Tangrowth.

ANyone? Please? Rate it?

very nice team with very nice choices.Did u hack to get your pokemon or did u quest for them all until you got them?

Celebi and Heatran is hacked. It's usually assumed that this team is for Shoddy though, which it is, but I use it for both Shoddy and Wifi.

Team updated!

Damn you, i just finsih ratin your team, and you swtich out hearan for snorlax!

I like your team! ^^ it has good pokes and has pretty good coverage all around. and it has rachi! good work! :P u get an A+++

wishii wrote:

I like your team! ^^ it has good pokes and has pretty good coverage all around. and it has rachi! good work! :P u get an A+++

wow, that is so helpful. Now he's going to win!!!......

DONT MAKE FUN OF ME!! :P Just kidding but seriously its called positive reinforcement if u think ull do good u will i wing it 99% of the time and i do fine.

Yes, but this is a RMT (rate my team), not a self-confidence boosting class.

@brawler: Heatran has been replace by Snorlax. About the rest of your suggestions: Ice Beam has Base 95 power consistently. Avalanche has Base 60 unless attacked first, which I find too unreliable for my tastes. Anyways, I'm afraid that I am actually using Adamant 56 Attack Swampert like you said, with Waterfall and EQ. Salamence and Latias walls me, but I doubt it would switch in on Swampert because pretty much all of them carry Ice Beam and I do have Roar. It's not like Swampert will be beating Grasses anyways. As for Togekiss, there is no way I am going to take that suggestion. Roost is EXACTLY why the set works. Anything that does not OHKO Togekiss or status it becomes set-up fodder. The only Steels that can beat me without exploding upon itself is probably Jirachi or Metagross. Dealt with by Swampert, unless they carry the rare Grass Knot. Tyranitar as well is beaten by Pert and possibly Gyara/Snorlax. Anyways, the former also hates paralysis although I have to worry about Sub+CM and Iron Head flinch. And Jirachi is not AT ALL walled by Gengar, where did you pull that from? And again, I am actually using Fire Punch>THunderpunch since I have lost Heatran. I tried Defensive Celebi and I like this set better. As for Gyarados/Suicune, I compared results already. Gyarados simply works better, since it has Intimidate. It might not look good in theory, since I will be switching a lot and racking up SR damage but I usually manage to Rest up or get a Wish to Gyarados before it becomes too weak. It is a scourge for physical attackers. Also, I most definitely would not Rest in front of a Lucario. If I am resting while a Lucario is in front of me, however, I would lose unless Sleep Talk picks Waterfall. Still, it's a chance I will have to take as I do not feel like putting 176 Speed EVs on Jirachi. I count on it to handle a large deal of threats.

On second though, SubKiss CAN protect me from status but I lose out against offensive threats. I'll try it...

brawler1235 wrote:

Yes, but this is a RMT (rate my team), not a self-confidence boosting class.

And i said it was a great team! thats rating it. and pokefan i like the new edits- i personally like paraflinck togekinss better, though.

I know. Same here. But he made a good suggestion and backed it up with reasoning. I'm obligated to try out his suggestion.

I know... Let me know which one works better!

Thanks a lot you two. Gotta go eat now, bye!

I have one change which may help on togekiss if your going to abuse hax then flamethrower works better than nasty plot because as someone said your get walled by steels and with flamethrower you only get walled by heatran.

Trust that im no good at rating teams but thats from experience!

Nasty plot is there to boost it's SpA,so its essential.